Comments on: Van Olden Barneveldt Connection In Dispute http://www.stoutenburgh.com/van-olden-barneveldt-connection-in-dispute/ Stoutenburgh-Teller Family Association Mon, 16 Jan 2012 01:36:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: William Matz http://www.stoutenburgh.com/van-olden-barneveldt-connection-in-dispute/#comment-1333 William Matz Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:28:52 +0000 http://www.stoutenburgh.com/?p=456#comment-1333 The above comment contains some critical errors and omissions. First, while Maurice did seize Johan's property, in 1620, the widow, Maria van Utrecht, exercised her legal right to reclaim the property. Second, Peter (born in 1617) did not go to New Amsterdam until @1638, and he did not become treasurer until 1676, long after Maurice's death and any concerns about Johan and only a short time before the English took over. Finally, "van" (like the German "von"), while meaning "of", was normally only used by nobility, not anyone/everyone from that locale.It is significant that Peter displayed the Stoutenburg coat of arms while in New Amsterdam/New York. The old church records also support the lineage. The above comment contains some critical errors and omissions. First, while Maurice did seize Johan’s property, in 1620, the widow, Maria van Utrecht, exercised her legal right to reclaim the property. Second, Peter (born in 1617) did not go to New Amsterdam until @1638, and he did not become treasurer until 1676, long after Maurice’s death and any concerns about Johan and only a short time before the English took over. Finally, “van” (like the German “von”), while meaning “of”, was normally only used by nobility, not anyone/everyone from that locale.It is significant that Peter displayed the Stoutenburg coat of arms while in New Amsterdam/New York. The old church records also support the lineage.

]]> By: Johannes Verhoeff http://www.stoutenburgh.com/van-olden-barneveldt-connection-in-dispute/#comment-1014 Johannes Verhoeff Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:16:21 +0000 http://www.stoutenburgh.com/?p=456#comment-1014 I was hoping that someone could help me trace back the genealogy of Maria van Utrecht. I know that her mother was Magdalena van Utrecht. Magdalena's husband was one of my forefathers, Adriaan Willemsz Flas (some site write his surname as 'Plas?' ...yes, with a "?" but it is Flas). His uncle was on the team of secretaries (raadsheren) to Prince Willem the Quiet (I don't like the word silent as it misrepresents the true meaning of de Zwijger). So can anyone please give me the details of Magalena's family tree going back, not forward in time? Met vriendelijke groeten (with friendly greetings) Johannes Verhoeff I was hoping that someone could help me trace back the genealogy of Maria van Utrecht. I know that her mother was Magdalena van Utrecht. Magdalena’s husband was one of my forefathers, Adriaan Willemsz Flas (some site write his surname as ‘Plas?’ …yes, with a “?” but it is Flas). His uncle was on the team of secretaries (raadsheren) to Prince Willem the Quiet (I don’t like the word silent as it misrepresents the true meaning of de Zwijger). So can anyone please give me the details of Magalena’s family tree going back, not forward in time?

Met vriendelijke groeten (with friendly greetings)
Johannes Verhoeff

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